Wednesday, December 9, 2009

USHMM Web Cast with Susan Rice

The link is here and starts at 5 PM.

www.ushmm.org/webcasts/rice

Leave your comments and questions here!

I'm a few minutes late but I'll be there momentarily, please start posting your questions and I'll respond in a few minutes.
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63 comments:

  1. ShannonDecember 10, 2009 at 4:07 PM

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  2. ShannonDecember 10, 2009 at 4:09 PM

    Yay, it's beginning!

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  3. ShannonDecember 10, 2009 at 4:09 PM

    sensitize?

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  4. ELMDecember 10, 2009 at 4:11 PM

    I missed it. Just got on. I think that's the director of the Holocaust Museum introducing her.

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  5. ELMDecember 10, 2009 at 4:12 PM

    You can follow comments about the webcast on twitter too: @HolocaustMuseum

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  6. ShannonDecember 10, 2009 at 4:12 PM

    She looks bored. :)

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  7. ELMDecember 10, 2009 at 4:13 PM

    The Genocide Prevention Task Force works to research current crises to advise the White House.

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  8. ShannonDecember 10, 2009 at 4:17 PM

    I'd like to visit that museum

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  9. ELMDecember 10, 2009 at 4:18 PM

    Many people have been critical of the UN lately (in particular) because of its inability to resolve human rights crises.

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  10. ShannonDecember 10, 2009 at 4:18 PM

    Who are the other "grossest human rights abusers"?

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  11. ELMDecember 10, 2009 at 4:18 PM

    It's a great Museum - they have a new exhibit on current human rights abuses too. You can visit the Museum website (ushmm.org) or the Committee on Conscience (ushmm.org/conscience) to get an idea of the exhibits.

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  12. ELMDecember 10, 2009 at 4:20 PM

    She's listing a few now but Uganda, Democratic Republic of Congo, and Burma/Myanmar have been recent foci.

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  13. ShannonDecember 10, 2009 at 4:22 PM

    only 65-70?
    Woah...

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  14. ELMDecember 10, 2009 at 4:22 PM

    When she discusses members' responsibility she means mostly the UNSC (the 5 permanent members we discussed in class)

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  15. ShannonDecember 10, 2009 at 4:22 PM

    Like China?

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  16. ShannonDecember 10, 2009 at 4:23 PM

    as a failure of members

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  17. ELMDecember 10, 2009 at 4:23 PM

    Yes, China, Russia, US, Britain, France.

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  18. ShannonDecember 10, 2009 at 4:24 PM

    when she says the failure is of member states, in the case of darfur, is that like china?

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  19. ELMDecember 10, 2009 at 4:24 PM

    Yes, in the context of Darfur. However, the UNSC didn't take action on the genocide in Rwanda in 1994 and acted in some people's opinions too late in the Balkans.

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  20. ShannonDecember 10, 2009 at 4:25 PM

    Running naked through the white house?
    Ok then
    truth, cool!

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  21. ELMDecember 10, 2009 at 4:26 PM

    Sounds like she'll talk about that now. The former Clinton administration has spent a good deal of time discussing the issue of Rwanda, because the U.S. did not intervene.

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  22. ShannonDecember 10, 2009 at 4:28 PM

    What type of people was the Rwanda genocide against

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  23. ELMDecember 10, 2009 at 4:29 PM

    I believe there was only one American who chose to stay in Rwanda when the genocide broke out.

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  24. ShannonDecember 10, 2009 at 4:29 PM

    Leaving a part of the world where we question why.....like afghanistan now

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  25. ELMDecember 10, 2009 at 4:30 PM

    The Rwandan genocide killed mostly Tutsis. Rwanda is made up of two main ethnic groups: Hutus and Tutsis, and the Hutus ruled the country and perpetrated the genocide.

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  26. ShannonDecember 10, 2009 at 4:31 PM

    Like in darfur?

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  27. ELMDecember 10, 2009 at 4:32 PM

    One new doctrine anti-genocide activists cite often is Responsibility to Protect, which says if a government fails to protect its citizens others must step in.

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  28. ShannonDecember 10, 2009 at 4:33 PM

    Good Q
    How do you end genocide?

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  29. ELMDecember 10, 2009 at 4:33 PM

    Yes, in terms of ethnicity, but the motivations were slightly different. Same idea though.

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  30. ShannonDecember 10, 2009 at 4:33 PM

    So if it's about agressive early, is it too late for darfur?

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  31. ShannonDecember 10, 2009 at 4:38 PM

    Is there genocide in the smaller countries like madagascar?

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  32. ELMDecember 10, 2009 at 4:38 PM

    That's a great question and one that the anti-genocide community has been/is debating. Some organizations are even hesitating to call it genocide still - mostly because all the villages have been destroyed, though. So ethnic elimination may not be happening as much as it was.

    It may not be too late and the international community is trying to take steps. Omar Bashir has been indicted by the International Criminal Court (we'll talk about that tomorrow in class). However, if the US/international community doesn't take strong action right away, it's hard to threaten governments who aren't protecting their people. Some argue military intervention is the only way, others argue diplomacy is possible as long as it's backed up with valid power as well.

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  33. ELMDecember 10, 2009 at 4:39 PM

    There can be in small countries- there was one in Bosnia in the 90s - as far as I know, not in Madagascar - I haven't heard anything - but it's possible.

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  34. ELMDecember 10, 2009 at 4:40 PM

    Here we go - Sudan.

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  35. ShannonDecember 10, 2009 at 4:40 PM

    She seems in favor of diplomacy

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  36. ELMDecember 10, 2009 at 4:40 PM

    Here is a link to that speech which Obama gave yesterday:
    http://www.nytimes.com/2009/12/11/world/europe/11prexy.text.html?pagewanted=4

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  37. ELMDecember 10, 2009 at 4:41 PM

    She's a huge advocate of diplomacy.

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  38. ShannonDecember 10, 2009 at 4:41 PM

    systematic rape?

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  39. ShannonDecember 10, 2009 at 4:41 PM

    an arrest warrant?
    woah!

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  40. ELMDecember 10, 2009 at 4:42 PM

    Priorities: end conflict in Darfur, enforce CPA, prevent terrorism.

    by saying that the people of Southern Sudan should be able to determine their own future, she is supporting their right to hold a special election and secede from SUdan.

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  41. ELMDecember 10, 2009 at 4:43 PM

    Yes, that has been part of the methodology used by the GoS.

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  42. ELMDecember 10, 2009 at 4:44 PM

    She made a distinction for "rhetorical" action because the government of Sudan has used words that are more cooperative than its actions.

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  43. ShannonDecember 10, 2009 at 4:45 PM

    so the government probably sees these "benchmarks" as a joke?

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  44. ShannonDecember 10, 2009 at 4:46 PM

    HEY I KNOW KARTOUM!

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  45. ELMDecember 10, 2009 at 4:47 PM

    It took a long time to get the GoS to accept UN troops on teh ground (they dont' want western troops there). They finally accepted a "hybrid" force with UN resources/helmets etc, but AU soldiers, mostly from neighboring African countries.

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  46. ELMDecember 10, 2009 at 4:47 PM

    Which government?

    Good!

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  47. ELMDecember 10, 2009 at 4:49 PM

    I think Shannon is the only one here but just in case, if anyone else in class is following, make sure to check in/comment!

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  48. ShannonDecember 10, 2009 at 4:49 PM

    uniting rebels hardly seems like a way to stabilize a nation

    The Sudan

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  49. ShannonDecember 10, 2009 at 4:50 PM

    5 million plus?
    woah

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  50. ELMDecember 10, 2009 at 4:51 PM

    WEll, if the rebels are all on different sides, they can't negotiate effectively with the government of Sudan. But good point....if they aren't even willing to talk face to face, you have a long way to go with diplomacy.

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  51. ShannonDecember 10, 2009 at 4:52 PM

    What is the FDLR?
    What's that stand for?

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  52. ELMDecember 10, 2009 at 4:52 PM

    You're correct - the government often nods its head at benchmarks and then misses them.

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  53. ELMDecember 10, 2009 at 4:53 PM

    Democratic Forces for the Liberation of Rwandan. It's a party of Rwandans, mostly Hutus, in the DRC. Many of them are formers Hutu soldiers who perpetrated the Rwandan genocide and are now living in the DRC.

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  54. ELMDecember 10, 2009 at 4:55 PM

    The acronym, I believe, comes from their French name.

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  55. ShannonDecember 10, 2009 at 4:55 PM

    FARDC?

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  56. ELMDecember 10, 2009 at 4:56 PM

    Party in power in the DRC

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  57. ShannonDecember 10, 2009 at 4:58 PM

    Outrageous vs genocidal?
    ans: hateful
    I could have said that

    why did they tape the cameraman?

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  58. ELMDecember 10, 2009 at 4:59 PM

    She probably couldn't take a policy position on it publicly.

    Not sure, I didn't see him.

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  59. ShannonDecember 10, 2009 at 5:00 PM

    10? that's late!

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  60. ShannonDecember 10, 2009 at 5:01 PM

    he just raised his eyebrows

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  61. ELMDecember 10, 2009 at 5:01 PM

    Shannon hope you enjoyed it...sorry there weren't others here with you! This'll help, hopefully, for our simulation tomorrow.

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  62. ShannonDecember 10, 2009 at 5:02 PM

    probably, that's OK it was still fun

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  63. TrevorDecember 10, 2009 at 6:16 PM

    I missed it.... my parents have some things blocked on the internet and blog spot is one of them and now the video isn't showing (now that my dad finally agreed to unblock it >:( oh well

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